JamesLyding wrote:Be careful camping @ Hualapai Hilltop. It has a bad reputation for crime for a very good reason: it's true

I don't think that camping @ hilltop is at all dangerous. Your car is more likely to be broken into when your not around. But I would be interested in dayhiken it though.

fossil creek/ verde river confluence is hot for smalls. Black as mentioned above is also good for smalls. Also below the dam at canyon lake (use the road to hike in past the locked gate) which is technically upper saguaro lake for smalls, large and cats.

Either way, bolts really have no place anywhere but as a top anchor for popular routes. ... Why have bolts at the top why not use natural anchors and/or cam, hexes, or nuts? If your such a wiz at setting cams why not rap off it? I've rapped off a deadman anchors, webbing stuck in cracks, rock horns...

As far as erosion is concerned most rock climbing is done on hard rocks, not softer type rocks that would be affected by climbing. Putting in anchors where there is already an established route would be considered "bad ettiquete" There are generally 2 types of climbing 1. Traditional or tr...

whatever you got!

The best way to find out is to call the individual chapter house that governs that area. coalmine at navajochapters org The visitor center often gives out misinformation or isn't completely informed. I disagree with "Who's looking" attitude as this will cause more closure and restrictions ...

I think they just drive there, don't they? There is a rough dirt road all along the river in that area. You might prefer high clearance, and if Cibicue Creek is up, you'll want 4WD. I have seen beat-up old cars in there, though! :). So your saying the "surf spot" is where along the dirt r...

Anyone interested in a day trip down the Salt River with a shuttle back. PM me if so. This is a class III portion.

you never heard of river surfing, have you heard of the surfing they do on the great lakes?

Interest here!!

Are you setting up a car pool for this, if so I am interested.

Is it too late to join in on this one?

Rally what kind a vehicle are you all drivin

Guys it looks like I won't be getting off work until 7am so I am going to be pullin up the rear. See you on the summit? BTW I'll be in an nissan xterra teal colored if I see you at the TH.jk

I would be down for a friday hike, where abouts are we meeting and what time?

rushthezeppelin wrote:In response to azpride:
You say endless and constantly ever expanding universe.....problem is it can only be one or the other : P Sorry physics nerd....

Why can it only be one or the other? just curious. Can't it be growing infinitely?

In Safford there is a Mexican restaurant, I can find it if I'm there. It's pretty good. As I recall, it's on a corner on 191?? I remember nice waitress, good enough eats, very plain decor. One thing about Safford, there is the old Main Street. I hope people go in there and start businesses, fix it ...

I think that the "secrets" WERE great fun, I personally had spent many days out in the wilderness searching for "secret canyons" at home studying topo maps looking for the canyons and ways to get into and out of "secret canyons." The joy and elation that me and my comra...

I there a firm date for this trip?

The hot springs are a short hike from the highway. I haven't heard lately what state they are in but I am sure they are flowing