Joe,
Thanks for your quick reply. I think it's past my skill level at this point. Let me know if you are ever going again if you wouldn't mind some people tagging along.
Carroll

@joe bartels Joe, You don't know me but I saw your post about Gisela. I used to go to the water hole all the time through the now restricted access. There is a group of us that want to go Sunday and try to find the other way. Is it doable for a bunch of mildly experienced hikers? Could you help me ...