Atmosphere Comparison

Jim · Post by **Jim** » May 15 2009 8:25 pm

The endless chatter of weather.

FOTG · Post by **FOTG** » Aug 19 2014 7:54 pm

Well what ever system is blowing rain through now ill take it, cool enough to kill AC and open some windows and doors...

hippiepunkpirate · Post by **hippiepunkpirate** » Aug 19 2014 8:24 pm

I keep checking the gauge for the LCR at Winslow hoping to see a surge, but no dice. Really hoping for a reason to go out and see Grand Falls again.

azbackpackr · Post by **azbackpackr** » Aug 19 2014 9:57 pm

Jim_H wrote:
tibber wrote:Our 132 unit community drainage is full and NOT draining.
Expect mosquitoes!!!
I had quite a few of them on me in Flagstaff, something I don't remember much of when I lived there. It was super green, with the now over 8 inches of rain they have had this summer so far.

A super green mosquito?

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Aug 19 2014 10:19 pm

Iridescent green mosquitoes. The hill sides and grassy areas were green, too.

chumley · Post by **chumley** » Aug 19 2014 10:53 pm

Jim_H wrote:So much for another summit of Humphrey

Isn't it Humphreys. Or Humphrey's. Or The Peaks? ;)

chumley · Post by **chumley** » Aug 19 2014 10:55 pm

friendofThundergod wrote:cool enough to kill AC and open some windows and doors...

Thats a good idea in some neighborhoods. Not as good in others... :whistle:

azbackpackr · Post by **azbackpackr** » Aug 20 2014 4:29 am

hippiepunkpirate wrote:I keep checking the gauge for the LCR at Winslow hoping to see a surge, but no dice. Really hoping for a reason to go out and see Grand Falls again.

I used to do that until I found out it will take a very long time for the surge to reach Winslow, and another week for it to reach Cameron. Just hang on. If it's gonna show up it will show up.

Edit: Jake, looking at the data page makes me think they are holding water back at Lyman Lake.

FOTG · Post by **FOTG** » Aug 20 2014 5:49 am

@chumley
Only lasted about an hour don't worry

chumley · Post by **chumley** » Aug 20 2014 7:22 am

azbackpackr wrote:I used to do that until I found out it will take a very long time for the surge to reach Winslow, and another week for it to reach Cameron.

We're not talking about spring snow melt here. Jake doesn't care about a trickle of water over Grand Falls. He wants to see a flash flood, and that happens after local rainfall.

For the record, the Winslow stream gauge is about 65 river miles from Grand Falls and another 50 miles to the Cameron gauge. A summer monsoon flash flood will travel those 115 miles in 1-2 days, if not influenced by other local rains. That's an average of only 3-5mph. If the ground is already saturated, it will go even faster. That is what is required for Grand Falls to run. Saturated soil (sand!) between Winslow and the falls. And lots of rain in a short period of time.

If it actually took a week to do the last 50 miles, that would be about 0.3mph. I don't think most people would call that much of a "surge" or "flow".

Dschur · Post by **Dschur** » Aug 20 2014 7:52 am

Dschur wrote: had 1/4 inch of rain in the gauge this morning in Payson will see what it is when we get home..

We had 1.25 inches of rain in the gauge when we got home! So had the second highest amount this monsoon season.. makes about 3 inches at our house...

rwstorm · Post by **rwstorm** » Aug 20 2014 8:08 am

Summer precip at my house in SW Tucson (through 8-19): 3.80 inches. (June 0.00, Jul 1.28, Aug 2.52). Yearly total up to 4.33.

chumley · Post by **chumley** » Aug 20 2014 8:49 am

I've not seen even .1" in the rain gauge at my house all summer. A few times .05" or so. It's been very dry in my specific location, though there has been ample rain nearby.

rwstorm · Post by **rwstorm** » Aug 20 2014 9:09 am

chumley wrote:I've not seen even .1" in the rain gauge at my house all summer.

Wow! That's pretty grim.

fricknaley · Post by **fricknaley** » Aug 20 2014 9:21 am

@rwstorm
what is your yearly summer average?

rwstorm · Post by **rwstorm** » Aug 20 2014 9:43 am

@fricknaley
I haven't updated my averages in quite some time (something to do), but at my house from 1981-2002 (22 years) I averaged 0.20 in June, 2.66 in July, 2.94 in August, and 1.34 in September. NWS normals (1981-2010) at airport are: 0.20 in June, 2.25 in July, 2.39 in August, and 1.29 in September.

This yields an average 4 month total of 7.14 at my house and 6.13 at the NWS. Annual averages are 13.42 at my house and 11.59 at the NWS. The average total precipitation for those four months represents 53 percent of the annual total at both sites. So yeah, the summer rains are a big deal.

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/twc/climate/sea ... ormals.php

FOTG · Post by **FOTG** » Aug 20 2014 11:41 am

@rwstorm

chumley wrote:
I've not seen even .1" in the rain gauge at my house all summer.

Wow! That's pretty grim

its not that grim his rain gauge is in the garage...

The_Eagle · Post by **The_Eagle** » Aug 20 2014 11:50 am

friendofThundergod wrote:its not that grim his rain gauge is in the garage...

Spilled Beer?

azbackpackr · Post by **azbackpackr** » Aug 20 2014 1:36 pm

chumley wrote:
azbackpackr wrote:I used to do that until I found out it will take a very long time for the surge to reach Winslow, and another week for it to reach Cameron.
We're not talking about spring snow melt here. Jake doesn't care about a trickle of water over Grand Falls. He wants to see a flash flood, and that happens after local rainfall.

For the record, the Winslow stream gauge is about 65 river miles from Grand Falls and another 50 miles to the Cameron gauge. A summer monsoon flash flood will travel those 115 miles in 1-2 days, if not influenced by other local rains. That's an average of only 3-5mph. If the ground is already saturated, it will go even faster. That is what is required for Grand Falls to run. Saturated soil (sand!) between Winslow and the falls. And lots of rain in a short period of time.

If it actually took a week to do the last 50 miles, that would be about 0.3mph. I don't think most people would call that much of a "surge" or "flow".

I see what you're saying. Maybe it just SEEMS to take forever to get from one gauge to the next.

I was across the bridge at Cameron on Sunday, not a lot of water, but we've had a bunch more rain since then.

Nighthiker · Post by **Nighthiker** » Aug 20 2014 2:11 pm

Rain gauge at my home in Payson was 1.5" for yesterdays storm. Finally have a rain gauge that elk, javelin, ravens and mountain jays are not interested in tearing up.

chumley · Post by **chumley** » Aug 20 2014 3:40 pm

NWS Phoenix has a nice recap on yesterday's extreme weather. If you're into that kind of thing.
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/psr/pns/2014/Au ... ooding.php

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