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Since I've slaughtered the pronuciation for years I decided to verify
http://www.forvo.com/word/salome/

Next up, aravaipa

If you want to see Mike cringe up into a tiny ball, say Ancha in the plural form.

Interesting.. Te-wa, I remember a previous forum discussion on this one where you had some strong feeling regarding the correct pronunciation. Were you correct?

Here's another I know very few people who pronounce correctly. Wonder if pronunciation is more difficult near water sources?
http://www.forvo.com/word/gisela/

Yeah, but you have to account for regional variation. Mazatzal.

So does Jerome rhyme with Salome?

chumley wrote:So does Jerome rhyme with Salome?

Now I'm just confused . This summer my girlfriend and I found out we were mispronouncing Salida (a small town in Colorado we were visiting).

chumley wrote:So does Jerome rhyme with Salome?

If it is named after a person - yes. Salome Arizona rhymes with Jerome Arizona.

The town in La Paz county was named for a person and does rhyme.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salome,_Arizona "The usual local pronunciation of the town's name is /sə ˡloʊm/."

Salome Jug is not so clear.
If it is named for a long-forgotten prospector - yes.
If it is named after the Biblical reference - not necessarily.
If it is pronounced by Hispanics - no it would be Sah low may. But Jug would have probably been Jack.
If it is pronounced by Anglos learned from Hispanics it actually sounds like Sallie Mae.

Does that help clear it up.

I don't know what http://www.forvo.com/word/salome/ has to do with anything in AZ.
The best source for Arizona Place Names is the Will Croft Barnes book by the University of Arizona Press
"Product Description
Will Croft Barnes (1858-1937) first came to Arizona as a cavalryman and went on to become a rancher, state legislator, and conservationist. From 1905 to 1935, his travels throughout the state, largely on horseback, enabled him to gather the anecdotes and geographical information that came to constitute Arizona Place Names. For this first toponymic encyclopedia of Arizona, Barnes compiled information from published histories, federal and state government documents, and reminiscences of "old timers, Indians, Mexicans, cowboys, sheep-herders, historians, any and everybody who had a story to tell as to the origin and meaning of Arizona names." The result is a book chock full of oddments, humor, and now-forgotten lore, which belongs on the night table as well as in the glove compartment. Barnes' original Arizona Place Names has become a booklover's favorite and is much in demand. The University of Arizona Press is pleased to reissue this classic of Arizoniana, which remains as useful and timeless as it was more than half a century ago. "
http://www.amazon.com/Arizona-Place-Nam ... ikearizona

So what does forvo.com say - is it pronounced BART els or Bar TELS.

Some old maps show Salome as "Sally-May".

The Santa Catalina were once the Santa Catarina, too.

As for me, I enjoy eating a green chile kwessa-dilla while sitting on the Mo-go-lawn Rim and watching the sun set over the Sierra Anchas and Mad-as-hell Mountains.

it's Bar TELS
Generally when people wrote it down , as I'd dictate the letters, they would have two "L"s before I even get that far. So now I simply say "Bartels with one "L", then spell it out" ;)

Of course I had to change my name to joe bartels as people on the trail kept calling me tee-vah joe, when it was teh-vah. Their website used to verify it, I don't see it there anymore. Long ago they used to have the Teva Games on ESPN or somewhere where you could hear the pronunciation. I guess in hindsight I could have must mentioned the pronunciation on my profile... oh well, live and learn.

joe bartels wrote:Their website used to verify it, I don't see it there anymore.

Oh, they still do. Not long a ago I won a debate with my girlfriend about it by visiting the website. Ah, sweet victory...

Preston Sands wrote:Some old maps show Salome as "Sally-May".

Will Croft Barnes page 377 documents that the Roosevelt Quad and G.L.O. map 1921 listed it as Sally May Creek.

and Mad-as-hell Mountains.

I thought they were the Matzah Ball Mountains. Croft ". . . early settlers said the word was Apache and meant "bleak barren". Some early writers spell it "Mat-a-Zell." McClintock says Apaches named it "Maz-at-zark" meaning "space between." An Indian held up his four fingers to represent the peaks and between them it was "Maz-at-Zark," the space between."

I also heard somewhere it was an Aztec word for deer. How it would get an Aztec name I have no idea.

Preston Sands wrote:The Santa Catalina were once the Santa Catarina, too.

That's just cause the map was printed in China...

chumley wrote:

Preston Sands wrote:The Santa Catalina were once the Santa Catarina, too.

That's just cause the map was printed in China...

thanks for making hot tea spew from my nostrils

azpride wrote:Not long a ago I won a debate with my girlfriend

no you haven't... you THINK you've won, but she is just gonna use your 'win' against you in the near or not so near future , whether you know it or not... so you might want to try on a few of these names, in case you need an 'AKA"

anyone going up to the 'see airy ant cheese' anytime soon?

Other words you may be pronouncing incorrectly:

http://youtu.be/xc6cfJztR8A

apparently there's no Arizona version or it would mention that there is no "r" in wash.

Took a road trip to New Mexico this past weekend, and found my Anglo relatives mispronouncing names there as well. I didn't talk to any Latinos, who, I presume, do know how to pronounce La Luz (NO Z sound, it's an S sound, since there is no Z sound in Spanish), Doña Ana, Carrizozo, (again, no Z sound in actual Spanish, plus the rolling of the r's), etc., etc.

However the most consistently mispronounced place name in New Mexico, which makes me cringe whenever I hear it, is Ruidoso, which Anglos prefer to call "Riadoso." Double ouch. I went there one time. It's a kind of ugly, honky and pretentious tourist town, full of Texans. (In New Mexico, they love the Texans' money, but they hate the Texans.) Ugh. I'll never go back there! I went into a bookstore and asked the owner if the residents actually mispronounce the name of their town, and he said he doesn't, and gave me the Castillian pronunciation, complete with rolling the R and the lisp! Ruidoso means "noisy" and is named after Noisy Creek, I presume.

To be fair, I think in many places in the SW there are two "correct" pronunciations of Spanish names. I mean, I don't say "El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles" even though I know how, with all the accompanying rolling of r's, and proper use of vowels and the letter "g" pronounced like "h." I just say "L.A."

There's a trail in the White Mtns. called Los Burros. I say Lohs Boorrrros Trail. Everyone else says "THE LAS Burros Trail." If you are going to use LAS, then it has to agree, and becomes LAS BURRAS (the female donkeys) and you can drop the "the" since that's redundant. Even if I hadn't studied Spanish in Costa Rica, and even if I didn't have a minor in it, I'd still remember my 8th grade Spanish. Unlike English, the rules are so easy to remember.

joe bartels wrote:it's Bar TELS
Generally when people wrote it down , as I'd dictate the letters, they would have two "L"s before I even get that far. So now I simply say "Bartels with one "L", then spell it out" ;)

Of course I had to change my name to joe bartels as people on the trail kept calling me tee-vah joe, when it was teh-vah. Their website used to verify it, I don't see it there anymore. Long ago they used to have the Teva Games on ESPN or somewhere where you could hear the pronunciation. I guess in hindsight I could have must mentioned the pronunciation on my profile... oh well, live and learn.

Bartels, rhymes with Cartels.

As for Teva, still my favorite sandals, after suffering in Chacos: I was corrected in my mispronunciation many years ago, but I have obstinately persisted in mispronouncing it deliberately, because Teeva just sounds better to my ear than Tehva. It's a personal problem, I know.

azbackpackr wrote:As for Teva, still my favorite sandals, after suffering in Chacos: I was corrected in my mispronunciation many years ago, but I have obstinately persisted in mispronouncing it deliberately, because Teeva just sounds better to my ear than Tehva. It's a personal problem, I know.

I'm with you on this... Teva sandals being my favorite as well as the pronunciation.

Although they now provide the correct pronunciation on their web-site (that's "teh'-vah," not "tee-vah") I have and will continue to pronounce it as though following proper English rules... tee-va with a very short a. (not tee-vah which is too close to vaa)
I realize it could have been derived from a Native American, Israeli or even just a made-up word but I was introduced to Teva sandal by someone who pronounced it as I do and after years of pronouncing it the same way I'm obstinate enough that I see no reason to change.

Sorry about that Teh-vah Joe. ;)